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Topic: Nissan Primera P11 ABS Warning light
Posted By: d60_tag
Subject: Nissan Primera P11 ABS Warning light
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2017 at 2:33pm
Swapped over batteries as the existing one was abit shot and didn't crank the engine too greatly.. put another battery on (slightly smaller capacity) and the ABS light illuminated after the battery swapover. If you switch engine off/ start again it often goes back out, so is not all the while.

I am thinking the 2nd battery is probably not that great either and will probably get another that is better... ABS never had any faults/ warning lights ever before this battery swap- so is almost defo related to the battery. I have for now put the old one back on to see if ABS light still illuminates.

Anyone had any experience of this ? My thoughts are that the 2nd battery does not hold its charge too well (low voltage?) ... could this have caused the ABS warning light?

For now will revert back to the first battery and see if the warning light stops occurring.
Thanks in advance.



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Posted By: p11primeragt
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2017 at 2:40pm
Very low voltage can cause the ABS light to come on,

However it may just be a coincidence,I reckon it be one of the front sensors. Try turning lock to lock see if that makes it come on again,if not then check the teeth on the cv joints for damage etc.


Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2017 at 3:17pm
^^ Thanks again Brian- think it prob is being caused by battery as never ever had light come on since the battery swapover and it was instant light on.
I guess it maybe a good idea anyway to put a new battery on rather than messing about with two 'older' batteries, one of which maybe causing this.

 As said will revert back to the first battery for now and see if the issue disappears.. If not then will check the ABS sensors as you describe.


Posted By: p11primeragt
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2017 at 5:09pm


Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2017 at 6:54pm
Gave the first battery a good charge and put it back on- ABS light disappeared straight away and has remained so since.
I think the battery/ voltage may pressurise the ABS on ignition. /start up and if the voltage is low then may report the error light- so hopefully this maybe the case rather than a fault elsewhere.
 It would only seem to happen on ignition/startup stage and would sometimes go out after, maybe as the battery got abit of energy from the alternator.

So will get another decent battery and stop messing about with these poorer condition ones, sometimes by saving a few quid using old stuff can cause more problems than its worth!


Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2017 at 1:42pm
UPDATE- Problem not solved and re-occurred on occasions, (ABS error light showing) so I got a new battery...Damn prob still occurred it seemed even with new battery...

Ended up inspecting the earth lead to the ABS pump thing as it looked abit cruddy- cleaned it up abit and sanded the connection point abit and bolted earth backdown... think this may have done it- Smilehasn't happened since, been about 6 days- also ABS seems to be working really well- possibly smoothest it has felt for a while- so reckon was prob this bad earth leadto the ABS pump.


Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2017 at 2:04pm
^^ Yea- absolutely. I want my ABS working as it is one of the best things about the car and taking a bulb out is hardly the way to go on many levels!
Take this as an example of why it maybe a good idea to have your ABS and brake system working optimally and NOT A GOOD IDEA TO TAKE OUT BULB! :-

'About 1 year ago some goon I was driving behind decided it was a good idea to slam his brakes on at 60Mph and come to nearly a dead stop... reason he did this was because a Police car with siren on was travelling in opposite lane at high speed and it spooked him- so he slammed his brakes on, almost to a stop. I then had to make the biggest emergency stop in my life and somehow the thing stopped on an absolute sixpence, with no skidding or issues.. was amazed how good the ABS was(disks all round) and I honestly did not think it would stop in time or so well. I reckon had the brakes/ ABS not been so good, I defo would have rear ended the stopping car with abit of force. Thats is why I want it working optimally!


Posted By: Astral07
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2017 at 7:46am
I'm glad that you stopped but ABS is a hit and miss system. Sometimes it will save you and sometimes it can do more damage than good. In a situation you described you should have stopped even better without ABS. It's most useful if while heavy braking you still need to do adjustments to your direction of movement. So for example you could have more easily turned to avoid rear ending that car.

I'm driving without ABS for a while now (one of my sensors is bad and i took the bulb out - no issues on MOT as you call it). As long as you're aware of what you're driving and you have good tires, you should be fine ABS or no ABS.


Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2017 at 3:10pm
Originally posted by Astral07 Astral07 wrote:

...... In a situation you described you should have stopped even better without ABS.

Really?! Taken from wiki :-

Effectiveness

A 2004 Australian study by Monash University Accident Research Centre found that ABS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lock_braking_system#cite_note-monash.edu.au-2" rel="nofollow - [2]

  • Reduced the risk of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple-vehicle_collision" rel="nofollow - multiple vehicle crashes by 18 percent,
  • Increased the risk of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run-off-road_collision" rel="nofollow - run-off-road crashes by 35 percent.

On high-traction surfaces such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitumen" rel="nofollow - bitumen , or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete" rel="nofollow - concrete , many (though not all) ABS-equipped cars are able to attain braking distances better (i.e. shorter) than those that would be possible without the benefit of ABS. In real world conditions, even an alert and experienced driver without ABS would find it difficult to match or improve on the performance of a typical driver with a modern Anti-lock Braking System-equipped vehicle. ABS reduces chances of crashing, and/or the severity of impact. The recommended technique for non-expert drivers in an ABS-equipped car, in a typical full-braking emergency, is to press the brake pedal as firmly as possible and, where appropriate, to steer around obstructions. In such situations, ABS will significantly reduce the chances of a skid and subsequent loss of control....

ABS generally offers improved vehicle control and decreases stopping distances on dry and slippery surfaces

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Originally posted by Astral07 Astral07 wrote:

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... I'm driving without ABS for a while now (one of my sensors is bad and i took the bulb out - no issues on MOT as you call it). As long as you're aware of what you're driving and you have good tires, you should be fine ABS or no ABS.

Really, is that the case?!
FYI,  ABS light/ bulb etc (or lack of it), Car would be an MOT failure- reason being ,on ignition phase- ABS does self test(illuminates), if self test is successful then should go out immediately. If ABS does not do self test by illuminating ABS light (which it won't if no bulb is present) then is an MOT failure!

Thanks for the info! Wink


Posted By: Astral07
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2017 at 10:15am
Originally posted by d60_tag d60_tag wrote:


ABS generally offers improved vehicle control and decreases stopping distances on dry and slippery surfaces
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Generally, yes. That's why i said it's a hit and miss system. Sometimes it helps and sometimes it creates an even bigger mess. It all depends on the driving conditions and specific situation. You have to know what you're driving and act accordingly. With or without ABS. I'm not saying it's a bad system but you can do just fine without it.

Originally posted by d60_tag d60_tag wrote:


Really, is that the case?!
FYI,  ABS light/ bulb etc (or lack of it), Car would be an MOT failure- reason being ,on ignition phase- ABS does self test(illuminates), if self test is successful then should go out immediately. If ABS does not do self test by illuminating ABS light (which it won't if no bulb is present) then is an MOT failure!

I can't really argue here because i'm not from UK so our cars are not examined in the same fashion. We are not asked to start the car, my car is already running when inspection is starting.


Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2017 at 6:50pm
^^ 'Generally better' means generally better and nothing else- ABS systems are superior to Non ABS systems, statistics prove this and braking distances are shortened.

For the record- You also said that in my Emergency Stop 'I would have actually been better off without ABS' !! LOL
I think not.


Posted By: Astral07
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2017 at 9:30am
Yes, you could have stopped better without ABS. The trick is not to lock your wheels. Here is an example... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnjszE3NS9E

Again, i'm not against ABS, just saying you can do without it, and depending on the situation it's a better/worse choice.


Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2017 at 6:27pm
In the forementioned emergency stop- My wheels did not lock (because I had fully functioning ABS); hence why it did such a great job in stopping and preventing an accident.
So why on earth would I want to do away ABS and 'have to make a 'trick' not to lock my wheels'? (your words above). That is one of the whole purpose of ABS in the first place!!  Are you a comedian or something?LOL

... Also you keep stating 'hit or miss' - 'depends on the situation' ... which seems you are suggesting it is a close call, or 50/ 50% even ...

How is something that has already been proven by tests 'considerably better' a close call or 50/50 situation? It is not 'hit or miss' ... ABS hits more than misses because it has been tested to be considerably safer ... yet you seem to think 'considerably safer' means 50/50 .. it doesn't... it is 'considerably safer'.... nothing else.
Jeez...
Maybe Nissan should have consulted with 'Astral07'; before they created an inferior ABS system to conventional.. you could have at least told them they were wasting their time and money , cos it was no better necessarily than a conventional - yea you know best- not Nissan.Disapprove



Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2017 at 6:53pm
...Nissan calling : "Hey, we have just created a great new ABS braking system; we just better check though with 'Astral07' and run it by him, because he says it maybe worse than the conventional... and he know far more than us; hope we haven't wasted our time and resources"... Astral will tell us the score!!Big smile


Posted By: **See Admin**
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2017 at 7:54pm
Cant see personally how no ABS is a better option . I would of thought a aid to help you stop would be a good thing rather than slide close your eyes and hope

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Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2017 at 8:51pm
^^ Exactly Norm...
 hold on though, we could always try to do the old 'try not to lock up wheels trick'....
 whole flppin' purpose of ABS in the first place!
They created ABS for us; so we didn't have to try to 'not lock the wheels', which was 'slide, close your eyes and touch and go', as Norm correctly says.

I doubt whether Nissans intention was to make a worse system- highely likely they knew what they were doing in creating a better system that outperformed convential in tests and added to road users safety. They wouldn't have made it otherwise!

That being said- all I can say is my ABS stops on an absolute sixpence and certainly want it working optimally... When I had the issue, I felt the ABS stop working and also when it started working-  it was a very noticible difference indeed.


Posted By: p11primeragt
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2017 at 9:34pm
Anybody who removes a ABS system/disables it from a car that came with it from factory needs locking up imo,as with today drivers about, trust me you need it..


Posted By: alan2307
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2017 at 3:17pm
I have a 2001 P11 144 with same issue , could you tell me how to take the bulb out as my mot is due and have not solved abs problem yet , the brakes work very well .


Posted By: **See Admin**
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2017 at 4:18pm
Originally posted by alan2307 alan2307 wrote:

I have a 2001 P11 144 with same issue , could you tell me how to take the bulb out as my mot is due and have not solved abs problem yet , the brakes work very well .


I maybe wrong but if the tester starts it to move they will note its not working aside from it perhaps being a safety issue

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Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2017 at 6:36pm
Originally posted by alan2307 alan2307 wrote:

I have a 2001 P11 144 with same issue , could you tell me how to take the bulb out as my mot is due and have not solved abs problem yet , the brakes work very well .


Yes, believe is an  MOT failure, despite what some people may say or think. Some people are not even aware why on ignition phase ABS light comes on briefly, then should go out shortly after- this is because it is performing a self test, to ensure all is functioning. See below
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If the vehicle is fitted with an anti-lock braking system, the tester will check that

a. a warning lamp is fitted
b. the lamp illuminates
c. the lamp follows the correct sequence of operation
d. does not indicate a fault.

Note: The sequence varies with the type of system. Refer to the manufacturers or other reliable data, eg purpose produced charts, books, etc. This sequence is usually something along the lines of coming on with the ignition, then going out (and staying out) a number of seconds later.

The car will fail if the ABS light:

a. is missing
b. does not illuminate
c. does not follow the correct sequence of operation
d. indicates an ABS fault.

The MOT regs are very clear on this.


Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2017 at 6:44pm
Have heard also in the event of some more serious accidents, ABS records stored in ECU are or can be accessed by Insurance companies/ accident investigators to check the cars involved did not have faulty ABS systems. I do not think removing bulbs is a good idea at all on many levels and is not a quick fix to get an MOT- Just fix the damn ABS!


Posted By: Astral07
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2017 at 2:43am
Your comments directed to me are very rude. Never did i mention 50/50 and never did i says it's better not to have ABS. In fact i've told the opposite. You're not reading very carefully. But i will not revisit this topic as you have already presented your attitude well enough. Have a nice day.


Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2017 at 1:48pm
Telling me I would have 'stopped better without ABS' (amongst other things), is suggesting it maybe better to not have it (as I apparently would have stopped better)!!... yea whatever anyway. Thumbs Up


Posted By: **See Admin**
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2017 at 4:11pm
Originally posted by Astral07 Astral07 wrote:

Yes, you could have stopped better without ABS. The trick is not to lock your wheels. Here is an example... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnjszE3NS9E

Again, i'm not against ABS, just saying you can do without it, and depending on the situation it's a better/worse choice.




If Nissan thought it wasnt needed they could of saved millions on fitting it. ABS is a proven safety feature so removing it or bulbs whilst ignoring faults they maybe there is at best foolish

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Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2017 at 4:45pm
^^ Yes exactly.
Until you have to make a damn serious emergency stop (and your life flashes before you at that time... really its not funny)... and you make it by 3 feet, then you may then you totally appreciate that a well maintained and optimally functioning brake system(as is designed on the car) may have saved your life or someone elses... then you realise the utter importance...

It could save lives, prevent injury; as was probably intended by Nissan in all their vast wisdom, thats why they made it... not 'for fun or to waste money' as Norm says.
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If anyone is having issues with ABS and has the sense to fix it rather than removing bulbs(!)- then I think you can short out pin4 on Datalink connector to earth and this will pulse the ABS light as to if there are errors and what the problem is maybe.
Check out this link (think for P11 but may possibly translate onto later variants (very useful): - http://www.npoc.co.uk/forum/p11-abs-system-diagnostic_topic48583.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.npoc.co.uk/forum/p11-abs-system-diagnostic_topic48583.html



Posted By: Astral07
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2017 at 10:29pm
Please learn how to read with comprehension. Thanks



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