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Nissan Primera P12 1.8 power loss when indicating

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Topic: Nissan Primera P12 1.8 power loss when indicating
Posted By: MikeEH
Subject: Nissan Primera P12 1.8 power loss when indicating
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2012 at 10:12pm
Borrowed my neighbour's Primera 1.8 P12 whilst my P11-144 is at the garage having some diagnostics sorted. When I'm driving his P12, and I turn the indicators or lights on, there is a noticeable drop in engine power. In fact driving at night is like driving a worn out Mini 850 - sorry, giving my age away here. Any ideas? I helped him change a rear brake light about 3 weeks ago, and just seen the posts about bad earthing on rear light cluster causing problems. Could this be the fault?
Mike



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Posted By: essNchill
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2012 at 10:15pm
Yes that is the fault and I have changed the thread title too.. "Nissan Primera 1.8 P12" is too vague etc.

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Posted By: MikeEH
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2012 at 10:36pm
Thanks for that and sorry about the heading.


Posted By: timeshock!
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 12:06am
I would say 90% was an earthing problem of which is an easy fix, however, did it do this before the lamp blew, if not, have you replaced the bulb with the correct equivalent?


Posted By: essNchill
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 12:11am
I was gonna say that myself... But didn't want to look condescending LOLBig smile

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Posted By: Electrolyte
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 4:02pm
Here's my theory,
 
All items affected have their -'ve returns gathered together like a bunch of straws which are then connected to a single heavier cable bolted to the bodywork. This junction I assume is by a simple crimp method therefore each wire connection is dependent on good physical contact with its neighbour.
The lights and fuel pump have a common Gnd return at this point.
A poor connection here for the lights caused by oxidation or whatever will create heat and expansion due to the higher current passing through the lamps which may in turn cause other contacts to break ( hence the fuel pump switching on and off )
By providing independent earths for the rear lamps the problem is circumvented.
I believe the designer has tried to foresee the possible problem as there are three earth points for the harness all interconnected  B17 at r/h door pillar , B24 at or near rear seat/wheel-arch and B55 in the tailgate.
 
As I say this is all theory and could be absolutely bonkers!!Wacko    


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Posted By: MikeEH
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 7:09pm
Sorry for late reply, been away.
Took rear cluster off and checked with multimeter, and continuity between bulb earths and car body (the threaded hole of the cluster fixing bolts) is 0.001ohm, which is pretty good. However, I did notice that when the RH indicator is on, the 3 brake light bulbs around it dims is sympathy with the indicator bulb flashing. Checked the wiring/contacts in the cluster with Multimeter and all seems ok.
But also.....whenever the brake pedal is depressed, the fog lamp indicator light on the dashboard comes on........!!! Should car be taken to a Auto Electric garage to be checked or would it be something simple? (He said hopefully!!!)


Posted By: timeshock!
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 10:24pm
Just do the earth fix and work from there if the problem still exists


Posted By: Electrolyte
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 10:39pm
In order for the fog lamp indicator to light it must be getting power fed back from the brake light circuit ( I assume the rear fog lamp must also be lighting as it is on the same circuit ).
How this can happen is if there is a short between wires within a harness but the most likely cause is a carbon track within the rear lamp socket or plug.
Carbon tracks can be difficult to see as they are usually hair line if on the surface and need to be dug out.
If it is caused by burning within the plug or socket you may be able to smell it.
You could check resistance between adjacent pins on the plug which I would expect to read infinity.
Do the same at the socket but remove the bulbs first as they will be low resistance.
The problems all sound related.
 
This is assuming that you have tried the earth fix and it has failed!


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Posted By: MikeEH
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2012 at 1:50pm
Right, just checked and the fog light does not come on when the brakes are applied - only the fog light indicator on the dashboard. The fog light works perfectly when turned on via the lights stalk.
I haven't done the earth fix because I was getting zero resistance between all the earth tracks on the rear cluster and the bodywork. So I concluded that it is sufficiently earthed.



Posted By: vindjay
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2012 at 3:48pm
I would do the earth fix anyway and double check you have correct brake light bulb. I fitted wrong one on my p12 and the front side lights came on when braking ! Maybe your front fogs are coming on ? I ftted a double element instead of single by mistake or other way round can't remember now.


Posted By: Electrolyte
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2012 at 5:56pm
As I say in order for the lamp indicator to light it needs power and looking at the diagram the only way I can see this happening is feedback via the rear fog lamp bulb.The indicator is an LED and requires very little current to illuminate it unlike the bulb.
Try removing the fog lamp bulb and see if indicator still lights.
This may be due to poor connection within the plug to socket earth pin.
If you have a lead with crock clips iether end you could use this to provide a temporary earth between body and light cluster.
You can also use your meter on voltage to see if any voltage is present across the fog lamp when brakes applied.
 
In the majority of cases the earth fix has cured oddball electric problems. 
I had a problem with my own where power cut using indicators and I simply sprayed the plug and socket with WD40 and never looked back.


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Posted By: imckay
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2012 at 7:21pm
The factory earth is not sufficient for the required current of all the items it grounds.
There is a loom available from Nissan to fix this known fault. It adds an extra earth.
The how-to does the same much cheaper.


Posted By: stephenbryan1977
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2012 at 10:23pm
Hi

I have the same problem on my P12 on the rear passenger cluster. Only had it a month now.. Did you get the replacement wiring loom? Are all your rear bulbs, single contact?

 I took the light off and noticed a slightly black bulb. Ain't had time to replace it yet but when I go on Halfords site and check bulbs to my car, it says that it should be a double contact when each bulb on the cluster has it's own compartment in the light.

Steve




Posted By: imckay
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2012 at 10:56pm
Change the black bulb.
If you still have problems, perform the earth fix.
This does the same as the Nissan wiring loom but is a lot cheaper and much easier.

http://www.npoc.co.uk/forum/p12-rear-light-removal-now-with-simple-earth-fix_topic16533.html



Posted By: RJ
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2018 at 9:51pm
I had all of the problems: engine racing when indicating to left (especially noticeable while on cruise control), reverse camera turning on while pressing brakes (even on highway in Drive gear going over 100kmp/h, ABS sensor warnings, Gear selector getting stuck in Park, etc. Basically all the gremlins. The all important earth fix for the rear light clusters resolved all these problems. As an extra, I sanded all contacts, bent them up (for tighter contact for the bulbs) and sprayed WD-40 on all the contacts, looms, and even the earth screws. I'm glad I found the solution on this forum, and was enthusiastic to do the repair with such great and clear illustrations. Thank you all, and thank you NPOC. :)


Posted By: timeshock!
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2018 at 6:51am
I am pleased you found the solution hereThumbs Up


Posted By: Rollerteam400
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2024 at 11:31am
Hi i have a primera 1.8 petrol hatch 2005 and every time i put my lights on it goes into limp mode and same as when i put my right indicator on.I run a new earth from just before the rear n/s light cluster plug but its still the same .any ideas as im now getting to the point im going to sell the car.thanks



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