Nissan Primera P12 idling and starting problem |
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FinNishmo
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Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 3:53pm |
That could be it, especially if they have a history. The ignition condenser in is also told to be causing poor cold starts. Changing them would be the only sure fix, but any suggestions to give them a little nudge if this happens again? As said, 99,9% of the time there isn't any problems and it's not 100% that they are the cause of it.
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imckay
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Does sound like it could be the MAF.
The Previous Model (99-02) suffers from failed MAF at 70-100K Miles (110-160K KM) that causes stalling when slowing down. It uses the same type of Bosch MAF.
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p11primeragt
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The only other real problems with this engines are the Maf sensor which sometimes does not give a code..
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FinNishmo
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As for now, both the idle and starting are fine. The idling "problem" is that when lifting off power the revs momentarily dip to 350-400 before picking up again in a couple of seconds. On a roll, clutch pressed, it remains at 500 for a while. Hot idle when standing still is around 700 rpm, smooth and stable. I'm sure this would not be considered as a problem, but a characteristic if I went to ask about it. But as the engine is bit small already, such a dip easily leads to a stall when combined with full turn and/or careless clutch. Nevertheless, stalling would not be a problem but a "characteristic". The problem is that sometimes (so far maybe a bit less than ten times in 7 years) the car wont start after such a stall when the revs have dipped and it has stalled cold (as explained in the opening post). Other than that the thing is mint, no trouble whatsoever with starts or with idle. So it can't be a chain/valve timing problem. It's either the most annoying bad ground ever, or like I'm thinking, something goes amiss in the engine management system somewhere under certain special circumstances. That's why I'm trying to reboot the system if this still manages to happen. Disconnecting and reconnecting the battery won't help. And as for that, the link to thread "reset the ECU" does not actually reset the ECU but only gives the fault codes and clears the fault code memory? Probably won't be of any help then.
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timeshock!
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I don't understand what you are talking about re-booting the CPU. The link above will read any fault code previously recorded, the final step if carried out will wipe the stored memory of engine codes nothing more.
While you can not rule out a stretched chain I would expect a EML light on. Certainly follow Brian's advice above
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p11primeragt
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Its not unheard of for cam chains to stretch on the qg engines.
Bad cam timing would make it hard for it to start and would idle badly too depending on how far the timing is out. Take off the rocker cover and upper timing cover to check the tensioner. The plunger should not be out anymore than 10mm max. |
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FinNishmo
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Thanks for info!
No check engine light. Bad ground could be it, but as there are no other problems with the electronics it sure would be the strangest way to appear. People win all kinds of lotteries though so it's worth checking out. What does the ECU boot in fact do? Reset to factory settings, clear the fault codes, service timers, fuel economy record etc.? Hopefully nothing that could cause more problems? I'm thinking the engine could think after that cold start stall that it is still doing something that it isn't - faulty sensor/engine status data remaining in memory after unexpected stall. So in that case maybe a reboot would help. What about the chain tensioner, how could that be the cause? |
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p11primeragt
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Check the chain tensioner, see how far the plunger is sticking out.
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Estyfort
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No check engine light all this while?
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timeshock!
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Hi and welcome to the forum
Sounds like a loose connection or bad earth problem.
The 1.6 is not an engine I am very familiar with.
I would start with checking the main battery earth lead where the attach to the chassis and transmission ensuring they have good sound connection and no breaks. then starting checking the connections and wiring in the engine bay, with no EML it may take some pinpointing try reading a code anywayhttp://www.npoc.co.uk/forum/p12-all-engines-read-reset-ecu-fuel-pump_topic54932.html when you do it correctly just count the flashes of the light it will give a repeating sequence of four digits, 10 flashes representing zero |
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