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Nissan Primera P11 vs P11-144 difference

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Topic: Nissan Primera P11 vs P11-144 difference
Posted By: Dawek
Subject: Nissan Primera P11 vs P11-144 difference
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 9:05am
Hello guys,

I have been googling a bit and I can't find any decent list with P11 and P11-144 differences. 

How about gathering sharing some info in this topic?
Sure the most noticeable difference is the looks, but how about other things?
I've heared that the breaks in 144 are bigger, the gearbox has shorter ratios and is stronger, but what else? Can any of you share your knowledge?

Thanks



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Posted By: p11primeragt
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 12:48pm
144 2L box has shorter 1st and 2nd gears but a longer fourth compared to the p11.Its also 15% stronger too and hydro compared to the older p11 box which is cable.

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Posted By: **See Admin**
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 3:20pm
The Primera is a weird one in that my SX according to the cars info should have one sized disk but it's got larger disks on I think the GT spec fitted from new. This confused the hell out of my garage when replacing them

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Posted By: Dawek
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 3:23pm
Ok, so that's for the gearbox and interesting info about brakes.
I thing the MAF is also different, P11 has hot wire type, while 144 has hot film type. 
How about suspension? Is there any difference?


Posted By: imckay
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 3:54pm
I am sure I read that the '144' was 144 changes to the P11.

OBDII ECU on the 144
Coil Packs on the 1.6 and 1.8 144
QG 1.6 and 1.8 Engine in the 144. GA (1.6) in the P11

Projector Headlamps (Rubbish) on most Models.
Xenons on the Sport+ and SE+ (UK)

Uprated suspension on the Sport and Sport+ I believe

Sunglasses Holder !!!


Posted By: p11primeragt
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 4:49pm
Sport and sport + use firmer springs which are the same spec as the p11 sri and gt.Dampers are all the same.

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Posted By: Dawek
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 5:56pm
I've heared that there are not 144 but more than 600 changes.
Yeah, the sunglasses holder is very nice :D

The CVT is also new in 144, right?
And precat appeared in QG and SR engines.

Any other things?


Posted By: Dawek
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 5:57pm
Is there automatic AC in P11 or is it new in 144?


Posted By: p11primeragt
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 6:50pm
Only auto ac in 144

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Posted By: Dawek
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 8:19pm
Ok, that's another difference. 
Go on guys, what else is dofferent? Any minor change is welcome. 

I wish to sum up this thread in the end to make an easily searchable list of what is the difference between those two models.


Posted By: Totenkopf
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2018 at 8:19am
There are actually three different generations of P11.

The folling differences are based on cars with a SR- engine. Most of the differences apply to the rest also. The dates are manufacturing dates, NOT first registration!

*96 to 10/97 = P11
-this is the first generation
-twin plug distributor
-256mm front discs (except GT and SE)
-14" wheels
-side feed injectors
-engine codes SR20De (131hp) and SR20DE (150hp)

10/97 to 06/99 = P11-120
-15" wheels on all models
-side airbags
-280mm front discs
-single plug distributor
-bosch top feed injectors
-different abs motor & control unit
-rear indicators changed from clear to amber
-Nissan FAST was introduced, so the codes changed to
SR20DEL (former De) and SR20DEH (former DE)
-WP11 was introduced
-SE body came available with the DEH engine

06/99 to 02/02 the P11-144
-engine code changed back to SR20DE, since the 150hp engine
was no longer produced
-OBD2 protocol
-hydraulic clutch
-ate brake system
-wings, bonnet, bumpers, trunk lid etc. were of a new design
-carved front seats for more leg room
-auto air conditioning
-CVT transmission was introduced

These are the biggest obvious differences.




Posted By: Dawek
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2018 at 3:36pm
Wow, that's some great info.

Thanks Totenkopf Clap


Posted By: alvin_roy
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 10:47am
Hi there!

The P11-144 were sold in the following trimOrdered Lists:
  1. Comfort
  2. Luxury
  3. Sport
  4. Elegance

Some differences between P11 & P11-144:

  • P11-144 grew in length to reach 452 cm (Saloon)
  • Ventilated Disc Brakes at Front and Disc Brakes at Rear
  • GA16DE (100 hp) was replaced by QG16DE around mid 1999
  • SR20DE was de-tuned from 150 hp to 140 hp
  • CVT and CVT-M6 with SR20DE

I will post more later



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Alvin Roy


Posted By: Dawek
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 11:12am
Hi, 

thanks for the input, I didn't expect anyone to contribute anymore. Thumbs Up


Posted By: Totenkopf
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 8:14pm
All P11's have ventilated front discs. The difference is that tve brake system is made by ATE in P11-144 and Girling or Lucas in P11 and P11-120.


Posted By: Sut
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 9:30pm
From German Wikipedia


Models with clear rear indicators 1.6 90bhp, 2.0 115bhp, 2.0 se/sri 130bhp, gt 150bhp

P11 120 Yellow rear indicators 1.6 99bhp, 2.0 130 bhp, gt 150bhp also these got electronic brake distribution(EBD)

P11 144 GA16DE 99bhp QG16DE106bhp QG18DE 113 bhp SR20DE 140bhp


Posted By: FinPrimera
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2018 at 9:16pm
Hi. I have year 1997 P11 1.6 with drum brakes on back 😑. Rolled 369 thousand km and still keeps going. My friend has P11-144 with 2.0 and CVT, snapped timing chain and is scrapping his car so I could get hold on bigger brakes and rear axle with discs with bargain. I think P11-144 rear axle will fit to my P11 with no brob, how about front brakes? Are there measure differences between front wheel hubs or could I just install 144's front brake brackets, calipers, rotors and stuff. If changing front brakes are no-go, there will be issue with brake balance, and if I understand correct FSM, there's no dual proportioning valve in P11-144 with CVT? Then I would have to settle just replacing drums with basic discs in rear (and it would be fine by me), getting P11's discs, brackets and stuff from car breaker for example.


Posted By: FinPrimera
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2018 at 9:58pm
Also there will be issue with P11 <-> P11-144 ABS sensors (are there differences in sensor harness side, obviously drum and disc sensors diff.) hand brake cables (drum vs. disc lever diff. obviously), brake hoses...? 🤔 So, easiest way would be settling on bargain 144's rear axle made for discs and getting P11's disc brakes parts for it?
Love my car, I am going to roll 450 k with it just to upset my co-workers who have Volvos, BMW's or Mercedes Sorry for going off topic there (and many more places).



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