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Nissan Primera P11 Starter motor removal

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Topic: Nissan Primera P11 Starter motor removal
Posted By: d60_tag
Subject: Nissan Primera P11 Starter motor removal
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 7:10pm
Been meaning to get the starter off to clean and inspect for a while now as it is slightly over running/ 'scrunching'.  For the hell of me cannot seem to locate it!Confused
Seems hidden away- is it accessible / visable from underneath the car rather than from above the engine bay? Do I get it off from underneath? Is it pretty easy to get off and dismantle to inspect/ service?

Cheers all in advance.



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Posted By: ragt20
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 7:36pm
its at the back of the engine, mid way up...not the simplest to get to...not had to take one off myself, but from what I remember you have to undo bits from above and below, as access is limited

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Posted By: ragt20
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 7:40pm
if you look at this pic, its circled, with engine out of car....



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Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 7:45pm
Thanks alot.Smile

See this is SR20 engine, forgot to mention mine is GA16DE, is the same?

P.S - liking that welding , very solid and strong looking welds- is standard or has been added for whatever reasons?


Posted By: ragt20
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 7:59pm
ahh you didn't mention it was either, so just assumed it was SR20.....hahaha

the location for the GA16 starter will be pretty much near the same area as well...




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Posted By: p11primeragt
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 9:21pm
Yup about same area for the GA and QGs also,2 x 14mm long bolts hold the motor to the bellhousing Thumbs Up

Remember to disconnect the battery too.

Edit,there's maybe some bracing too that might need removing on your engine,can't remember though to be honest.


Posted By: girty
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2015 at 6:39pm
Had to take mine off for several times, first time it took about 2h, but after that it was a 15 min job to take it off and put it back. :D
So first of all, you will need to get under the car, completely from above it is not possible to remove it. 
From above you have to undo the two bolts holding it in place, first one is located on transmission side right about the same place as in the picture, the upper one. Only it wont be black and it will be size 14. To find it more easily the thick ground cable leads to it. Second bolt is lower on opposite side. Same size - 14. You have to choose either you undo it from below or above. From below it is more visible, but harder to get to, but from above it is easier to get to but not visible at all. 
When that is done, you need to remove the bar that holds intake manifold against the engine, should be black, or not, located about at the middle of intake manifold. It won't do any harm if you remove it, if you do not turn the engine. There are two bolts holding it, one into manifold, other into engine, size 12 if i remember correctly. Again, you have to do it from below the engine.
When you have done that, you can disconnect the wires from starter. After that just slide it out and should be able to get it out.  
And first of all, disconnect the battery as p11primeragt mentioned.

Putting it back is the same procedure just the other way around - Put it in, connect wires, put back the support bar, screw back size 14 bolts and done. 
You can take off the air filter box, but it only clears the line of sight a bit.


Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2015 at 6:47pm
Thanks Girty for the comprehensive instructions and with abit of luck you will save me hours! Clap


Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2015 at 2:29pm
Originally posted by girty girty wrote:

Had to take mine off for several times .....

Just wondering Girty, did you starter have problems? Reason I am needing to take mine of, it slightly 'over runs' and makes 'scrunch' noise. It has been like it for years but I am wanting to correct the problem and other Forum members have suggested taking it apart and inspect and grease etc.

Have you took yours apart, or anyone to do the same? Are they easy to take apart and work on does anyone know?

Ta!


Posted By: girty
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2015 at 10:16pm
Well, mine had another issue. It wasn't turning at all. It was like you turn the key, it goes half of turn then stops, you keep holding the key, and after a 2 sec it turns a little bit more and so on. At the end it came to that, that it didn't turn over at all. Took it of for first time. Took me about 2-3 hours. Disassembled it, and found out that the inner core had scratch marks on it, and upper half, that goes into transmission, actually were welded. Wield was good, butt little bit off-center and that caused the scratching and not turning. 
I cleaned it, put back together and put on car. But the problem wasn't fixed. So I got another one from the guy whom i bought the car from. Got the old one off, took me about 25 mins. Swapped them, but something wasn't right, so i had to take it off again. Took me about 10 mins that time, due to lack of space to turn the screws. :D So disassembled the new one, put it back together and put it on the car and it's working great now.

To take it apart it's not a hard job, but from your description you have to change the puller(feeder), it's the smaller one. You have the big cylinder that's the starter, and then you have the smaller cylinder to whom all the wires goes. Probably changing it will solve the problem.


Posted By: girty
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2015 at 10:18pm
p.s. If you need, i can make short video showing how you can take it appart and put it back together. Just ask, I have the old one lying around in garage.


Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2015 at 8:43pm
Thumbs Up Thanks alot Girty! I really appreciate the help but do not give yourself too much trouble, i.e the offer of the video but if you are inspired to make a short film then that would be very fantastic!! Beer


Posted By: girty
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2015 at 8:06pm
Tomorrow I will make the video and upload it. Hope it won't be too late. :) 


Posted By: nachzehn
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2016 at 11:41am
Did you post the video?


Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2016 at 8:34pm
^^ Never saw Girty's video, don't think he posted it but was quite easy to get S.M off, despite some of the horror stories that seem to have affected people. Was 2 bolts, not so hard but had to carefully work it out.
Ended up replacing mine rather than inspecting/ fixing/ rebuilding for what they cost with an ex. Almera one, virtually the same but the solenoid sits abit higher but wires still reach with abit of helping.  Works brilliant now- also maybe when replacing try to lube up replacement with some sort of method / spray as they dry out at times and stick possibly - as the old one on mine was.
Starts like a champ now!  Thumbs Up


Posted By: nachzehn
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2016 at 9:03pm
Good news, and thanks for letting me know. I got a good deal on a new one, so was planning to fit it this weekend. What about the bar that holds the intake manifold? Is it necessary to remove before removing the starter motor? Planning to put the front of the car on ramps, to get access. Is that the best way to do it, as opposed to access from under the bonnet? And sorry last question. Is there sufficient access to remove the bolts with a socket, or better to use a spanner? Thanks again.


Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2016 at 9:36pm
Yes forgot to mention the intake manifold bar- yes remove it, is 2 bolts also fairly easy, think they are both 12mm.
First... from above , unscrew top starter bolt, is the same bolt that has the EARTH LEAD.
Then... from below with the car on ramps(that is how I did it) unscrew bottom starter mounting bolt/ fairly easy to see.
Then ... from below also- unbolt the intake manifold bar, can easily see the two mounting bolts from below.
Then ... unsrew Solenoid connections/ bolts, think these are 10mm.

On refitting, clean/ sand slightly the solenoid connections, also the earth lead that the starter bolts from the top to the engine.
Its's not so bad but possibly certain variants of the Primera may have been worse depending on model.
Mine is a 1.6 Traveller/ estate 1999.

BTW- maybe combination of sockets and spanners- think I did most of mine with 1/2" sockets but space was not great. If necessary then use spanners if space seems too tight.




Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2016 at 9:40pm
edits : -
Yes forgot to mention the intake manifold bar- yes remove it, is 2 bolts also fairly easy, think they are both 12mm.
First... from above , unscrew top starter bolt, is the same bolt that has the EARTH LEAD.
Then... from below with the car on ramps(that is how I did it) unscrew bottom starter mounting bolt/ fairly easy to see.
Then ... from below also- unbolt the intake manifold bar, can easily see the two mounting bolts from below.
Then ... unsrew Solenoid connections/ bolts, think these are 10mm.
REMOVE THE STARTER FROM BELOW. CAN MANOUVRE IT OUT

On refitting, clean/ sand slightly the solenoid connections, also the earth lead that the starter bolts from the top to the engine. Then maybe a little white/  grease for future proection on the contact points.
It's not so bad removing it but possibly certain variants of the Primera may have been worse / harder depending on model. Heard the SR20 was a pig to remove ? Anyway... mine is a 1.6 Traveller/ estate 1999.

BTW- maybe use combination of sockets and spanners- think I did most of mine with 1/2" sockets but space was not great. If necessary then use spanners if space seems too tight.


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Posted By: nachzehn
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2016 at 10:08pm
Awesome detail! Thank you!


Posted By: **See Admin**
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2016 at 10:09am
Bitch of a job. I had mine replaced by my local breakers, on a cold Nov night with a plastic cup and a light bulb to work off. I learned some new swear words in Indian that evening. Not a job I'd like to do again

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Posted By: d60_tag
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2016 at 7:51pm
Yea- think on certain variants of the Primera it could be nasty job and sort of pig difficult.

Mine is a 1999 Estate 1.6 GA16DE and was not actually that bad, took about 1 hour, think other variants possibly may possibly be harder.
..... also remember to disconnect battery before changing the starter.


Posted By: FinPrimera
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2021 at 8:14am
Hi, thought I would share my experience. I got 1999 SR20DE SRi with manual gearbox and left hand drive. As mentioned before, no need to remove intake duct but removing it does not take long, it gets you more room and better view. Theres two intake support brackets, remove only that sits in timing chain side of engine or starter wont come out (and you can't loosen solenoid upper wire lead either).

- both starter mounting bolts are 14 mm and both are removed from intake duct side.
- no earth leads to starter
- wire looms are extremely tight fit. I got remanufactured starter by Remy and it has different angles on solenoid wires than original, have to Dremel some of that plastic guard off or wires could rip themself apart or worse, wire loom when engine vibrates.
- theres room for one hand only and absolutely no extra on wiring looms even if you loosen those tie straps in engine bay(because loom goes thru firewall just where starter motor sits).



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